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  • vFunct - Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - link

    Is Cooper Lake a typo of Copper Lake here? This is going to get really confusing if it isn't...
  • Aokromes - Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - link

    No.
    https://tpwd.texas.gov/state-parks/cooper-lake
  • Carl Bicknell - Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - link

    Ice Lake SP Xeons still two years away? Oh boy.
    AMD has a serious chance now.
  • HStewart - Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - link

    "Ice Lake SP Xeons still two years away?"

    Look closer at the road map, there is also Sky Lake SP and also Cascade Lake coming next year.

    Keep in mind Intel does not formally release road maps. so the timing could be actually sooner.

    Also Xeon processors are usually a later generation than desktop/mobile processor - but also newer functionality appears on Xeon chips first.
  • mczak - Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - link

    From all we know, Cascade Lake is the exact same thing as the current Skylake SP, except it's fabbed on a (minimally) improved 14nm++ process. So you can expect slightly improved performance (or slightly improved efficiency), and that's it.
    Should AMD be able do deliver Epyc 2 on a 7nm process on time, Cascade Lake is unlikely to be competitive (at least for a wide range of applications).
    (Not sure if Cooper Lake actually has any significant improvements neither.)
  • Cooe - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link

    That's exactly what Cascade Lake is (a 14nm++ refresh), 7nm EPYC is gonna STEAMROLL that thing lol.
  • HStewart - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link

    Cascade Lake also has significant architecture improvements - the nm size is not all that makes up CPU designed and performance. One thing is being show that up and coming Xeon have increase memory size 3.75TB to 7.5TB range.
  • mczak - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link

    You're certainly right that manufacturing tech isn't everything - but I'm not sure why you think Cascade Lake has significant architecture improvements. So far everything points to it being the exact same architecture as Skylake (and Kabylake for that matter). Plus some fixes and tweaks, sure (IIRC it will have Meltdown fixed and be more Spectre-resistant, so that could certainly improve performance slightly (back to previous unpatched levels...) if less workarounds are needed). And yes the differences in memory support (more memory as well as the optane stuff) may be important to users, but they do not really require architectural improvements.
  • Samus - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link

    ^^^ This.
  • RU482 - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link

    lol, intel MOVING IN a product on a roadmap (no less a server roadmap). what a hoot. you funny guy
  • rahvin - Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - link

    Very good news for AMD, yet another delay in 10nm with cooper lake being another spin at 14nm. This pushes 10nm back another 2 years. AMD might eat their lunch by that point because that will put them almost 3 years behind the rest of the industry on process tech.

    Never thought I'd see the day honestly given Intel's prior track record on process tech.
  • HStewart - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link

    As I see most people trust Intel that used Intel - and AMD people like AMD because it not Intel.

    I am sure if AMD becomes a real threat to Intel's primary business - not gaming desktops, Intel will find a way to make that threat less of a threat.

    I would say that Intel has been living in highlife with previous AMD lackluster changes - but that does not mean that AMD is actual threat to Intel's business.
  • HStewart - Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - link

    I believe Intel server products ( Xeon ) typically run later than desktop/mobile products but have additional architecture functionality - for example AVX-512 was able on Xeon way before desktop and not yet available on mobile.

    But if this road map is correct ????, it does not mean that 10nm is delay 2020, just possibly the Server chips Xeon may possibly be delay that long.
  • Kevin G - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link

    AVX-512 is available on mobile if you can find a Cannon Lake part. The wide spread release of AVX-512 was mainly dependent upon their 10 nm road map being on schedule.

    Consumer Ice Lake is expected in 2019, roughly a year before the server parts.
  • The Hardcard - Wednesday, July 25, 2018 - link

    Is it my aging eyes, or is Cooper Lake shaded in the purple of “in planning.” Either high-speed development or not much to do.
  • BurntMyBacon - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link

    Sure is. Nice catch. Of course there is the possibility of misprint, but I'd lean on the side of not much to do. It is a lot easier to work out process woes and characterize a new process with a known design. They have a history (Tick-Tock) of not changing both architecture and process at the same time as well.
  • Antony Newman - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link

    Is it pure coincidence that ‘Apple River’ with an OmniFabric @ 3.2 TB/s was planned for the same year Apple release the mMP?

    Any speculation out there if Apple are going to go Italian in 2019, or cook up a Gen-Z solution with home grown ARM desktop CPU and Apple AI/GPU chippery that can shunt 8K to it hearts content?

    AJ
  • HStewart - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link

    I seriously doubt we will every see ARM on Apples desktop. Apple is only a fraction in Intel CPU business and with Raju on Intel side and his experience with both AMD GPU and before and more importantly Apple, I would not doubt we will see Intel CPU/GPU in Apple's future.
  • Judas_g0at - Sunday, July 29, 2018 - link

    Does anyone see the irony in a semiconductor company using points of local naural beauty for a naming scheme? Google "Intel superfund sites".

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