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  • Alexvrb - Tuesday, April 30, 2019 - link

    Yeah Q2 is gonna be rough for them. They're being aggressive with pricing to help, which is nice... but a lot of people are holding out for Zen 2 - myself included. I don't think I'll wait on Navi though, unless they happen to drop a midrange card around the same time. Then again GPU upgrades are the simplest so I might get a cheap card for now and upgrade later.
  • Dragonstongue - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    I am one of those folks, but likely to get Navi when available as my Phenom II is technically more underpowered than my 7870, though I find the Phenom II far more tweakable for my needs :(

    Zen 2 will be a very nice chunk upgrade for Phenom II likely in the 250%+ range easy (2600 as example is 230%+ range better at ~20-40w less power for double the cores and double the threads to boot all for about the same $ I paid "way back when"

    mobo ~$50 more, ram def much more $, cpu about same, gpu ~$150 more (depending)

    I hope to get something before the year is out and my $ still holds, papa is going to have a very $ year with very little to stretch, is AMD hits $30+/shr by the time these come out that would be swell, hopefully $ before the end of the month would be great (April-may 2019)
  • yannigr2 - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    I still have a 1075 at 4GHz. For gaming for sure a bad choice today, but for everything else, more than enough. That being said a mid range Ryzen 3000 model should be 2-3 times faster in many tasks.
  • neogodless - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    Whoa - were you me? Ha - I had a Phenom II and 7870. But 2 months ago I went with the 2700X, and my neighbor gave me his old Geforce 780 GT which is a decent little bump. Currently eying the RTX 2060 but it's still too spendy for my likes. Waiting to see if Navi improves the GPU market.
  • artifex - Tuesday, May 7, 2019 - link

    I actually retired my Phenom II 1055T last fall for a Ryzen 2600, on a mini-ITX using B450. I finally just gave up on DDR4 coming down, told myself the discount I got for bundling the board at the same time made up for the premium on the memory. Also happy to be using less power overall, especially after I went to a 75W GPU card. (Actually switched that one months before the rest, to ease the hit to my wallet.)

    You can do it! :)

    P.S. Don't forget to buy a new PSU, too, because your current one is probably 8 or 9 years old like mine was. (Wish I'd gotten one with modular cables, but wow, they were 3x the cost of the basic one I bought.)
  • yannigr2 - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    OEMs will probably pay in Q2 to have systems ready in Q3, so AMD is going to make money from them in Q2. In Q3 it will be our turn to pay AMD. That's of course if Ryzer 3000 line of CPUs is as good as we hope for. And that means at least equal in gaming to the best Intel model. in everything else but gaming, Ryzen processors are already a better choice. At least on desktop.
  • Opencg - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    I trust that their statements about being on par with the 9900k are true. The question is will they compete with the 9600k and 9700k in terms of value. Of course the 9600k is largely out of stock right now. But if it is in stock when the new ryzen launches that could be an issue.
  • Targon - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    Since AMD will also have 12 and 16 core Ryzen processors, possibly(or probably) at the same clock speeds(all-core boost to 5GHz), AMD will have a big advantage. Remember that AMD pushed Intel to release an 8-core processor, but Intel won't be able to offer a 16 core consumer processor that is cost effective for a LONG time.
  • HStewart - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    I think people need to be realistic here, for one thing it takes a lot to switch hardware especial for big companies. Especially now days that existing hardware is fine and does not need upgrade. On customer front, except for kids playing games - most don't care about desktops at all - if getting a desktop they get an All-in-one, everything has gone mobile. How much sales does AMD believe they can sell to AMD customers and do they really expect people to change. The fan boy stuff on forums does not help the situation luckily AnandTech is not as bad WCCF.
  • sa666666 - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    You're the biggest Intel fanboy/shill there is on this site. So it's pretty rich that you come here (into an article that has zero to do with Intel) and pontificate on the 'fanboy stuff on forums'. Why don't you follow your own advice and keep silent on topics that aren't related to your Intel fantasy.

    Of course if you did that you wouldn't be able to shill every chance you get. So I expect you to keep being two-faced about it (ie, complaining about fanboys when you're the poster-child for it).
  • Korguz - Thursday, May 2, 2019 - link

    sa666666 i agree... ANY post he can.. he will bash amd.. but praise intel... even if the article/write up is negative against intel. i would also like to know who he considers as " most " no one i know who uses desktops, would even consider an all in one.. not everything " has gone mobile " as he says. then to complain about fanboy stuff, when HE HIMSELF is a fanboy.. wow... too bad, sa666666, if you notice.. when some one calls him out on his posts.. he doesnt reply.. so i doubt he would reply to you, or this post...
  • lejeczek - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    There might be no need to wait - Ryzen 5 2600 today for £130? Crazy!!!

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-6-Core-Wraith-Stealth...
  • sgeocla - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    Everybody knows that Q1 is the lowest in the year, on top of crypto sales of last year.
    Intel keeps bringing up "China" instead of acknowledging AMD is eating their lunch in the datacenter.
    7nm is going to bring in a whole level of hurt for Intel and Nvidia to a lesser extent.
  • Dotans - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    lower Q1 from prev Q4 is regular annual trend.
    lower Q1 from prev Q1 is long term trend and its mean bad news.
    AMD is expected to grow very fast (PE >80) with strong product line and Intel struggle with production.
    The stock looks like a bubble.
  • Targon - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    If you look at product by product, things don't look as bad. GPU is lower, and current-gen console sales is going to remain low as the focus for many is the next generation consoles. So, server, desktop, and workstation sales won't seem as bad as the overall.

    The long-term outlook is better because: 7nm Ryzen, Threadripper, and Epyc will drive very good sales numbers. Navi, if performance is GTX 1070 level for $250 will also sell well. Into 2020, AMD will have the 7nm laptop chips, probably Q4 2019 or Q1 2020, and those will sell VERY well for the performance increase combined with lower power demand of 7nm. 7nm desktop APUs in 2020 will also drive sales on the lower end, especially for OEMs(which are always looking for low end, you don't see a lot of desktops from OEMs with discrete graphics in the $500-$600 range).

    AMD also has an all new GPU architecture in the works, which I expect will be competitive with high end NVIDIA when it comes out. New architectures need to be forward looking, which is why Ryzen has been doing well.
  • webdoctors - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link

    They only earned $16M ? 1.2B in revenue? A bank account with 5% interest would've given you more money than that per quarter, and I'm not even using their market cap value of $30B. They need to raise prices or margins.
  • BedfordTim - Thursday, May 2, 2019 - link

    You won't get a bank account with 5% interest but even at 1.5% your point is still valid. The theory is that with rising sales margins will improve significantly as overheads are pretty much fixed.

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