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  • evilspoons - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link

    Didn't we try function keys for stuff like IM and web browsers in the '00s? And they all went away?

    I suppose having a 'hang up' function might be nice.
  • Mothertrucker19 - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link

    At least they didn't take away the home and end keys like HP.
  • RSAUser - Sunday, January 5, 2020 - link

    All my external keyboards still have them and most laptops?
  • PeachNCream - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link

    Soldered LPDDR3 and a misguided reassignment of Fn keys (hopefully possible to reconfigure in the BIOS) make these rather unappealing.
  • Rookierookie - Saturday, January 4, 2020 - link

    Is this the first time you've seen a ThinkPad?
  • jvl - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link

    Seems like a weird product at a weird time.

    But hey, seeing the thermal cluster***k that is my T470s (work-administered), I won't touch another ThinkPad anyway. Or another Intel CPU, seeing what the patches did for performance, and what the i915-train-on-fire-on-modern-linux-kernels did for my confidence in Intel GPUs. I'll just wait for AMD's big announcement I guess...
  • Retycint - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link

    Thermal performance of different models will always be different, even from the same manufacturer, or from the same line but different generations. It is quite short-sighted to write off an entire brand because of one bad experience with one model, thermal-wise.
  • jvl - Saturday, January 4, 2020 - link

    Oh *please*.
    I've owned an T42, an x60 Tablet, serviced a friend's X220s, experienced the T450s, T460s, T480s, own a T470s and witnessed various Yogas (from entry-level three years ago to a present-day 3 k€ stupidity). All recent lines had thermal issues, the kernel logs are full of not only throttling (that'd be normal), but actually package sensor readout errors.
    I'm quick for anger to flash, but mainly that's because I feel cheated since they rather clearly didn't do proper quality testing. From 60 T470s in the group, three are defective. They'll be repaired, for sure, but WTH. I just feel sorry for people actually paying for this..

    TL;DR: my prior is informed.
  • Valantar - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link

    Still on 16:9 displays, sadly. Not good enough when the X1 tablet has a far superior display.
  • danielfranklin - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link

    No Ice Lake, no real upgrade.
    Putting an extra 2 cores in a 15w TDP that already bursts to 45w is just a joke.
    The GPU and men bandwidth are a joke at this point. Plug a 2nd monitor into it and see it drop frames clicking the start menu.
    Not going with a new thermal design and Ice Lake is a slap in the face for the price they charge for these. They are no doubt doing the work anyway for the Tiger Lake platform later in the year, they are just lazy now.
    Never thought I’d be more interested in what HP are doing with business laptops then a Thinkpad, NEVER...
  • Rookierookie - Saturday, January 4, 2020 - link

    Which Ice Lakes support vPro?
  • SolarBear28 - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link

    I have an old ThinkPad and I love the large arrow keys between page up and down. It would be nice if other manufactures could make decent keyboards (and trackpads with physical buttons) to provide me a little more choice when I choose to upgrade.
  • SolarBear28 - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link

    I find it interesting that Intel put in the work to make Comet Lake LPDDR4 compatible yet no OEM designs I've seen are using it. You'd think, in a premium laptop like this, it would be included (or, you know, maybe Ice Lake?).
  • MarcusMo - Saturday, January 4, 2020 - link

    16:9 is utter crap for productivity. Why do we still get that plastic chin instead of usable screen real estate? Until we get at least 16:10 I’ll be looking elsewhere for laptops. It’s a shame.

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