I was gonna praise them for the 2TB budget m.2, but then they do this shit where you are too stupid to know or care what the nand is, what the controller is, ....
thats none of your business you stupid dumbass customer. Just buy what we tell and say thank you
not sure how this is called cheap drives, the 512GB model is like 5$ cheaper than Samsung Evo Plus and 1 TB model is like 30$ cheaper from samsung one, and samsung is alot better than these.
i got my samsung evo plus 512GB for 109$ from amazon, now its 115$ but it gets discounted every once in a while.
It's about the PCIe 4.0 support. The only other 4.0 drives on the market are significantly more expensive. For 4.0 drives these are cheaper because they're using DRAMless controllers.
At MSRP it'll be interesting to see how they compete against mid-range 3.0 drives with DRAM. Unless they can put on a good show, they're DOA for anyone looking beyond specsheet numbers. But the whole controller/nand lottery lottery already has done that.
... Because if you do I/O intensive work you'd better ensure you are using tools suited to the job? I'll agree that saying "will not" is a bit weird, but "should not"? Definitely.
If your job relies on you needing large, fast storage then you're probably going to invest in it in a way that a casual user wouldn't. That's still only "probably", though, not definitely.
How are low end drives coming to market with insane MSRPs like these? How is the 1TB version $164.99 when the new WD Blue SN550 is faster, has a better warranty, and has a MSRP of $99.99? I know NAND prices continue to clime, but these seem DOA.
1TB version is sold for $120 and 512GB for $68 here in my country, while WD SN550 cost me $97 for 500GB version. So you can't compare stuff that way, especially in different markets, where seller would slap ridiculous price to any item with big brand on it (Samsung, WD, etc cost fortune here in Indonesia)
Never knew budget meant $165 for 1TB. That's an insanely high price for a DRAM-less, low-tier drive. The ADATA SX8200 Pro is only $150 (and $140 right now on sale) and is superior in basically every single aspect.
You are comparing MSRP and street prices. That ADATA has a MSRP of $219.99. We don't know what the street prices of these will be. But I am concerned that the MSRP of this is over 50% higher than the faster WD SN550.
The "cheap" in the title of the article might lead less savvy readers to think that these are actually cheap. For the kind of advertised performance numbers, the street price has to be way below MSRP before these SSDs are competitive, let alone cheap.
Marketing. Create the high, medium and low range to allow the top level to command an artificially silly price. Why do we fall for this rubbish? Isn't it time to start saving resources?
Well, maybe not completely "low in quality" - I guess in this case, they were meeting their "target" market for this particular product. Low in cost, but they also saddled it with lower performance specs as well. MSRP is still a joke, though.
"Consumer workloads are not write-intensive and certainly low-end products will not be used by content creators."
That's rather presumptuous of you. Since the term "content creator" is rather poorly defined to being with and you, as a journalist, have no idea who will ultimately purchase one of these SSDs, you're going out something of a limb. What's AT doing these days by telling me I'll love something or assuming a certain vague category of people have certain usage models for solid state media?
Stick to reporting the facts and stow away the opinions please.
I used to think the term "content creator" referred more to video editors/creators, which were ones who could work with both numerous and large-in-size video files. Thus they were ones would could use & justify the cost for more performant products. However, I agree with you that the term is becoming more malleable and less strict in defining the group. More people claim the title w/o necessarily having the high performance needs.
That being the case, I don't take it that personal if someone uses it in the way I used to think of it.
These are indeed DOA, low endurance QLC or C-tier TLC, DRAM-less, 3 year warranty, PCI 3.0 nvme, without a significant price cut, they're at best a 660p drive, at worst... A possible contender for Kingstons ol bait & switch tactics from yester year. All I gotta say is "Next"! :)
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azfacea - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
I was gonna praise them for the 2TB budget m.2, but then they do this shit where you are too stupid to know or care what the nand is, what the controller is, ....thats none of your business you stupid dumbass customer. Just buy what we tell and say thank you
YazX_ - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
not sure how this is called cheap drives, the 512GB model is like 5$ cheaper than Samsung Evo Plus and 1 TB model is like 30$ cheaper from samsung one, and samsung is alot better than these.i got my samsung evo plus 512GB for 109$ from amazon, now its 115$ but it gets discounted every once in a while.
DanNeely - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
It's about the PCIe 4.0 support. The only other 4.0 drives on the market are significantly more expensive. For 4.0 drives these are cheaper because they're using DRAMless controllers.At MSRP it'll be interesting to see how they compete against mid-range 3.0 drives with DRAM. Unless they can put on a good show, they're DOA for anyone looking beyond specsheet numbers. But the whole controller/nand lottery lottery already has done that.
Bob Todd - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
Aren't these PCIe 3.0 though?Slash3 - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
Yes. The E13T controller is a PCI Express 3.0 part.https://www.phison.com/en/solutions/consumer/pc-la...
DanNeely - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
Did I misread the original article, or was it ninja-edited?Spunjji - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
I did the exact same misread. *shrugs*peevee - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
"and certainly low-end products will not be used by content creators"Huh? Why is that?
damianrobertjones - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
Pride would not allow such a thing. You MUST spend more if you're a (current marketing buzz words) content creator.The lady across from me creates a spreadsheet, each day, which means she's a content creator. Nice.
Valantar - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
... Because if you do I/O intensive work you'd better ensure you are using tools suited to the job? I'll agree that saying "will not" is a bit weird, but "should not"? Definitely.Spunjji - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
If your job relies on you needing large, fast storage then you're probably going to invest in it in a way that a casual user wouldn't. That's still only "probably", though, not definitely.Bob Todd - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
How are low end drives coming to market with insane MSRPs like these? How is the 1TB version $164.99 when the new WD Blue SN550 is faster, has a better warranty, and has a MSRP of $99.99? I know NAND prices continue to clime, but these seem DOA.Bob Todd - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
Ugh, no edit. "climb"PeachNCream - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
They ought to kickstarter an edit button or something.otonieru - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
1TB version is sold for $120 and 512GB for $68 here in my country, while WD SN550 cost me $97 for 500GB version. So you can't compare stuff that way, especially in different markets, where seller would slap ridiculous price to any item with big brand on it (Samsung, WD, etc cost fortune here in Indonesia)otonieru - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
and if you say that with $29 bucks more people over here should still grab WD instead, they wont agree with you, $29 bucks is a lot of money overhere.shabby - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
I think Anton needs a refresher course on what is considered cheap... https://www.newegg.com/xpg-sx8200-pro-512gb/p/0D9-... this is cheap, not this dramless patriot crap.Billy Tallis - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
Comparing launch MSRP against an unknown third-party international seller isn't exactly reasonable.Retycint - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
Never knew budget meant $165 for 1TB. That's an insanely high price for a DRAM-less, low-tier drive. The ADATA SX8200 Pro is only $150 (and $140 right now on sale) and is superior in basically every single aspect.Bob Todd - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
You are comparing MSRP and street prices. That ADATA has a MSRP of $219.99. We don't know what the street prices of these will be. But I am concerned that the MSRP of this is over 50% higher than the faster WD SN550.Koenig168 - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
The "cheap" in the title of the article might lead less savvy readers to think that these are actually cheap. For the kind of advertised performance numbers, the street price has to be way below MSRP before these SSDs are competitive, let alone cheap.damianrobertjones - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
"Patriot Releases Cheap P300"Marketing. Create the high, medium and low range to allow the top level to command an artificially silly price. Why do we fall for this rubbish? Isn't it time to start saving resources?
romrunning - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
For me, I immediately thought of "cheap" in the title as "low in quality" - so, spot on!Yeah, the MSRP is higher than expected; I'm sure they'll lower it once they start getting feedback (or lack of sales).
romrunning - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
Well, maybe not completely "low in quality" - I guess in this case, they were meeting their "target" market for this particular product. Low in cost, but they also saddled it with lower performance specs as well. MSRP is still a joke, though.PeachNCream - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
"Consumer workloads are not write-intensive and certainly low-end products will not be used by content creators."That's rather presumptuous of you. Since the term "content creator" is rather poorly defined to being with and you, as a journalist, have no idea who will ultimately purchase one of these SSDs, you're going out something of a limb. What's AT doing these days by telling me I'll love something or assuming a certain vague category of people have certain usage models for solid state media?
Stick to reporting the facts and stow away the opinions please.
romrunning - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
I used to think the term "content creator" referred more to video editors/creators, which were ones who could work with both numerous and large-in-size video files. Thus they were ones would could use & justify the cost for more performant products. However, I agree with you that the term is becoming more malleable and less strict in defining the group. More people claim the title w/o necessarily having the high performance needs.That being the case, I don't take it that personal if someone uses it in the way I used to think of it.
ballsystemlord - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
Actually, we do need more endurance, not less.FastCarsLike - Wednesday, February 19, 2020 - link
These are indeed DOA, low endurance QLC or C-tier TLC, DRAM-less, 3 year warranty, PCI 3.0 nvme, without a significant price cut, they're at best a 660p drive, at worst... A possible contender for Kingstons ol bait & switch tactics from yester year. All I gotta say is "Next"! :)otonieru - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
real market price is only at $120 for 1TB and $68 for 512GB model. So, yeah, it's budget alrite.