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  • MenhirMike - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Is there a Live stream of the video somewhere?
  • MenhirMike - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Found it, it's per registration only.
  • mooninite - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    How many security vulnerabilities will be discovered and/or instructions/features disabled within a month of release?
  • Nozuka - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    They have worked very hard on this and this time it will be even before the release.
  • Solendore - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Hello! :) With full memory encryption, control flow technology suite and first platform to fully designed from ground up from entire division of Intel that was created after 2018, exclusively focused on product security - Tiger Lake is expected to be most secure ultra-thin/mobile platform available
  • Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    "Not an exaggeration"

    Yeah. Right. They forgot to mention the part about how they had to raise the default TDP to 28-watt. Also, they likely are comparing against 15-watt TDP 4000-series Ryzen parts at almost half their 28-watt TDP! This has Ryan Shrout lies written all over it. Not buying it.
  • Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    "Intel nearly 100% faster in Adobe Export"

    Ryzen part is might very be only using the CPU. Meanwhile, the Core part is likely leveraging the acceleration of Quick Sync. Quick Sync is proven to reduce video quality compared to a pure software encoding solution. Not buying it.
  • Dex4Sure - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    I watched it so I can verify. They compared the AMD CPU without GPU acceleration vs Intel CPU using Iris graphics acceleration. They never showed any CPU vs CPU comparisons either.
  • PeacefulCello - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    >Quick Sync is proven to reduce video quality

    Yeah, like any other hardware acceleration solution.

    A 2012 evaluation by AnandTech showed that QuickSync on Intel's Ivy Bridge produced similar image quality compared to the NVENC encoder on Nvidia's GTX 680 while performing much better at resolutions lower than 1080p.[6]
    [6]: https://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-...
  • Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Again, 15-watt versus 28-watt TDP. There is no magic bullet here. I would love to see the battery life comparisons outside of a static desktop or looping 1080p video. Under gaming or multitasking, I bet we see throttling and lower battery life for these 11th Gen models.
  • cyrusfox - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    The ryzen 4800U is configurable up to 25W TDP, Tigerlake up to 28, both can also go down, Tigerlake to 9W, and Ryzen to 10W. Why the negativity? Its a new product launch and it is looking a lot better than icelake.

    Impossible to know for sure anything from the presentation in terms of what the manufacturer configured the CPU to pull at(TDP). Independent reviews will explain exactly how much increase in performance we should expect.
  • Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    "configurable" is not the issue here; "default" is. 28-watt is the default TDP that they are now shipping with that is the issue here. These pie-in-the-sky numbers are based on this sleight-of-hand. Look at the articles online prior to this sanitized press announcement. They have been warning about these 28-watt TDP shenanigans for months now.
  • Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    lol. See the next article. "Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake: Up to 4.8 GHz at 50 W, 2x GPU with Xe, New Branding"

    "Up to 4.8 GHz at 50 W."

    Ouch.
  • PCWarrior - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Intel with Iris Graphics has traditionally been 28W. The additional tdp is for the gpu in case you have both cpu and gpu working at the same time in full load like in gaming. In any case they are comparing it against the 4800U which has a tdp of 25W. Also bear in mind that for AMD the tdp figure is meaningless. What is of meaning is the PPT (package power tracking) which for cpus with 105W tdp (e.g. 3900X) is 142W and for cpus with 65W tdp (e.g. 3700X) is 88W. In other words AMD sets the real TDP to be 35.2% higher than the advertised one.

    More importantly in notebooks, AMD applies a power management algorithm which is similar to Intel’s PL1 and PL2 (they call them PPT-Long and PPT-Short respectively). An AMD mobile cpu turbos to PPT-short similar to how Intel turbos to PL2 and then downclocks to whatever frequency is sustained for PPT-Long (which is equal to 1.35xTDP)).

    I don’t know what are the values for PPT-short and PPT-long for the 4800U as AMD has not disclosed them. But we are looking for at least 35% over the TDP figure for PPT-long so a sustained power draw of 33.8W with short boosts to a PPT-short of likely 50W.
  • PCWarrior - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    By the way the nominal tdp for these Intel cpus (including the 1185G7 that boosts to 4.8GHZ) is 15W. They have configurable tdp that can go down to 9W and up to 28W. From the article.

    “These processors have a nominal TDP of 15 W, but can be pushed up or down in power by laptop companies depending on how they build their systems. At the top end is Intel’s Core i7-1165G7, a quad core processor with hyperthreading and the full 12 MB of L3 cache. It has a base frequency of 3.0 GHz, a single-core turbo frequency of 4.8 GHz, and an all-core turbo frequency of 4.3 GHz.”

    The 50W figure you mention is for the H-series cpus, a speculation based on a chart that Intel showed during the Architecture day showing Tigerlake having performance scalability up to 65W.
  • Spunjji - Friday, September 11, 2020 - link

    Dude, the *measured power draw* from the Lenovo Yoga Slim with 4800U is ~25W at boost and ~18W sustained. The *entire system* doesn't consume more than 50W under a parasitic load on both the GPU and CPU. You were here speculating some theoretical number of angels dancing on a pinhead while the actual numbers were already out there.

    Meanwhile we now have confirmation that the 3.0Ghz "base" clocks are at 28W (1.2Ghz at 12W) and the 4.8Ghz turbo is at 50W.

    I hate shills.
  • JasonMZW20 - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    My 4700U hits about 25-30W when both CPU and iGPU are used and plugged in. Full CPU is 15W and doesn't seem to exceed that.

    Competition is good. AMD will have to bring Zen 3 and ULP Navi with LPDDR5, which was already planned with Van Gogh.
  • Solendore - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Hello there! :) The comparisons were done on 4800U extreme performance power level (~28-30W) vs Intel 1185G7 at peak power (~28-30W). https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/joao-silva/...
  • Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Funny. The source tweet is deleted. Not buying it.
  • Solendore - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-tiger-lake... I can provide you with more information sources if needed. But Intel really took the single and quad core (95+% of especially <35W PC usage models don't scale beyond 4 cores in 2020) performance lead by a significant margin, sometimes more than 2X and averaging good 25-30%
  • jjjag - Thursday, September 3, 2020 - link

    Intel® Core™ i7-1185G7 processor (TGL-U) was measured at PL1=28W with Intel® Dynamic Tuning Technology (Intel® DTT) enabled. The AMD Ryzen 7 4800U processor was measured with the “System Performance Mode” BIOS setting at “Extreme Performance” mode which corresponds to ~37W power as reported by AMD’s µProf tool, sustained up to 20 minutes. Here’s the mobile page with the relevant configuration

    Intel publishes the exact details on every performance claim. So your FAKE NEWS is no good here.
    https://edc.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/p...

    Look I'm no fanboi but Intel has clearly leap-frogged over the mobile ryzen for now. I'm sure the 5000 will leapfrog back over. This is just how it works
  • Marlin1975 - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Performance in a laptop is nice, but I don't see any power numbers. Hmmm...
  • Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    It is now a 28-watt default TDP, not the 15-watt we are all accustomed to. It has been a weak point for Tiger Lake since that was revealed almost a year ago and a point of discussion among the silicon gang for a while now. The default TDP was bumped up this generation to give the illusion of increased performance. Classic Intel deceptive marketing.
  • eek2121 - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    You keep posting this narrative, but there are multiple skus ranging from 7-28W. Also, AMD doesn’t compete in this form factor at all.
  • ilt24 - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    @eek2121 "but there are multiple skus ranging from 7-28W"

    And the Ryzen 4800U has a configurable TDP of 10-25W
  • Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    The default TDP is 28 watts now. It was 15 watts for the longest time for all but some Iris parts. Sure, it can be configured down, but that is not the default performance level. The base clock they quote is based on a 28-watt TDP, by the way.
  • ikjadoon - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    This completely incorrect comment has now been plastered on how many threads?

    It's still 15 W...

    >These processors have a nominal TDP of 15 W
  • Meteor2 - Thursday, September 3, 2020 - link

    Shut up Hifi. You're wrong, and no-one is listening to you.
  • HardwareDufus - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Diplo, the Brad Pitt of the DJ scene.... and now Pitchman for Intel.
  • Luminar - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    RIP AMD... Hope Lisa has enough money to hire Jim "Jesus" Keller... Maybe they'll have enough saved up in the piggy bank by 2035... Just in time to compete with Intel quantum chips.

    Glad I held off on ordering a Ryzen laptop... Hype train has officially derailed.
  • Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    28-watt TDP, instead of 15-watt default. Good luck with that. They bumped up the TDP to give the illusion of increased performance.
  • Unashamed_unoriginal_username_x86 - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    This looks like a copy paste but you swapped AMD and Intel
  • poohbear - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Why would you say RIP AMD? You know any innovation intel does is BECAUSE of the competition, right? Intel was complacent for years.
  • Meteor2 - Thursday, September 3, 2020 - link

    Indeed. These new Intel chips only exist because of AMD's resurgence. But if the new Intel chips really are this much better (I don't think they are, but "if"), then we face the possibility of losing AMD and Intel sinking back to its old sitting-on-its-hands ways.
  • Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Ah, the 28-watt TDP generation. It's a tired, slow, and addled tiger that is not worthy of consideration. Moving on.
  • IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Boo!! Intel marketing, get out of here!

    Today should have meant they send notebooks to Anandtech, Notebookcheck and other reputable sites so they can test them and WE can determine whether 11th Gen Core lives up to the fluff! But this "launch" is again fluff, nothing of significance.
  • Alistair - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    A bunch of nonsense Intel marketing. Ryzen 4000 laptops were already ahead, and you can buy 6 core models for $560 USD. If TigerLake is only for laptops under $550 they have a sale...
  • psychobriggsy - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Indeed - it's great for Intel if TigerLake SKUs that match or beat the AMD parts are available at competitive prices to the AMD parts.

    And this is likely where AMD will compete, by dropping the prices to the OEMs for Renoir. Which is a temporary solution. Cezanne will hopefully help with CPU and clocks, but the GPU is still Vega. Van Gogh is the odd one - it might have a far better GPU than RNR or CZN, and compete with the 7W-12W TGLs.

    It's good that Intel have finally got something to show in the 10nm mobile CPU arena, and the high base clocks and turbo, and new CPU core, are going to put Intel in a strong position. Am concerned that the default TDP for this is now 28W, not 15W which is now the cTDP setting. AMD will now have to follow suit surely with CZN.

    But I'll wait for a wider spread of benchmarks in real world products before declaring an outright winner.
  • Alistair - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    reputation leads to high prices with the public, but knowledgeable people are only buying Ryzen 4000 for the most part right now

    more cores, more productivity performance, better battery life, same gaming performance
  • GNUminex_l_cowsay - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    The 12MB L3 cache is concerning. On desktop doubling your L3 for a bigger number and better performance in a limited number of applications is fine since the static power consumption isn't an issue. But in an ultra-portable you need stronger argument, or a way to reduce the static power cost, or else you will just take a bite out of your idle battery life with no benefit across most applications.
  • jaydee - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    12:03PM EDT - 'World's Best Processor!'

    "You did it! Congratulations!" - Buddy the Elf
  • Meteor2 - Thursday, September 3, 2020 - link

    I love the tiny asterisk text
  • Intel999 - Wednesday, September 2, 2020 - link

    Did they say what memory was being used in the benchmarks?

    I suspect that Tiger Lake used the uber fast LPDDR5 stuff that no OEM is going to use except for in fringe cases due to cost.

    Any comments by Intel on volume that they think they can produce?

    I can't wait for Ian's follow up article tearing apart the biased benchmarks for this paper launch.

    At least the few units they can get out into the market should help a little in allowing AMD to hopefully finally get close to meeting demand for Renoir.

    What I find comical is the enthusiasm that some apparent Intel fanboys are showing on this message board for a product that isn't as good as Intel has suggested and is nowhere close to being a high volume product.

    It's almost like these posters having been waiting years for something to get excited about and now it has arrived and they can't control themselves even though deep down a part of them knows that, at best, anything Intel claims is a half truth and at worst a complete falsehood.

    At least they will have a day in the sun to spread their wings until this entire presentation is tore apart and revealed as the con job it most likely is.
  • Meteor2 - Thursday, September 3, 2020 - link

    Interesting that Apple picked this product cycle to dump Intel for their own ARM designs. Those first-gen ARM laptop chips are going to have to be very, very good.

    If they're not, and can't compete with Tiger Lake laptops, they're going to wish they'd waited another year or more before making the switch.
  • Igor_Kavinski - Thursday, September 3, 2020 - link

    Anyone notice how they said "imitators"? Really, Intel? So it has come down to this, eh? Who licensed and copied x86-64 from AMD? Your imitator somehow got the idea of using and IMPLEMENTING chiplets in their CPU design? Why did you bother comparing your GPU performance to that of the "imitators"? Oh, maybe that's coz your Chief Architect was formerly working for your imitator? Who's imitating who?
  • ellawilson - Friday, September 4, 2020 - link

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  • MDD1963 - Saturday, September 5, 2020 - link

    That LOGO! My GOD! Now it is white...with a blue dot! How revolutionary!
    It's full of stars...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • AnaSun - Saturday, September 5, 2020 - link

    When will we see this on desktops? Waiting not-so patiently for PCIe4 and DDR5 to build a new rig.
  • JACK4888 - Sunday, September 6, 2020 - link

    The last announcement by Intel on its "newest" chip was more of a bash of the "competitor" than facts about it own Intel device(s). Trying to remember the Intel 11th gen CPU designation is like trying to remember UPC codes. Before that was the big deal about Intel's new logo. Oh, please it is sounding like a political ad all fluff no substance. All I remember from the comparison was AMD 4800U. And there is Intel's 11th generation. What they have no designation other than the nebullous 11th gen?
  • JACK4888 - Sunday, September 6, 2020 - link

    This web site of jpg is not helpful at all. The advert & PR people need another job. Like coming up with catchy names the public and tech guys like me will remember and an idea of pricing & availability.
  • six_tymes - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link

    does anyone know when Intels DDR5 platforms will be out?
  • Narg - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link

    Came here wanting to see new processors, only got new branding. Bleh.
  • bhd2 - Tuesday, September 8, 2020 - link

    Just watched the launch video - Boyd Phelps said poly pitch is 60 nm, up from 54 in Ice Lake.

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